Okara II's Builders comments:
Thanks for the update. I'll look forward to your designs in the upcoming months. In the meantime, it will give me some time to build my push/pull 300B amp. Unfortunately, after listening to the Okara's, and Borealis (at a friends) and comparing these to some of the best using similar dynamic based drivers, I feel too afraid to purchase from other manufacturers. You are one of the few (very few!) who still publishes measurements as well as having a good set of ears.
Best,
Anand.
Just wanted to let you know how much I enjoy my Okara II I built. They finally broke in a few days ago and I had occasion to listen in a 10 x 10 dedicated room. I didn't want to ever leave! I just sat there transfixed listening to one CD after another. They play loud and strong with impact but tremendous detail. I powered them with a Bryston 4B-ST and they took everything I could throw at them.
I just got back from CES and you should be showing them off. You need to quit hunting and fishing up there and have your cabinet guy start cranking out enclosures you could build and sell as complete units.
All the kidding aside, thanks for a wonderful product.
Ps. Attached is a picture of the finished speaker. I made it slightly larger to accommodate the crossover in the bottom by itself and stepped the baffle by adding 3/4" to the woofer mounting. The front piece of the baffle is solid cherry laminated to MDF and birch.
-Ed M
…Since I'm finished with my boards I'll be writing up a fairly lengthy review of the Okara's. Currently they are GLORIOUS on just 3.5 Watts of single ended power. The room is small of course (10 by 10 by 7). I placed some tweeter diffusers since the speakers are so close to the corners to reduce preliminary reflections. It has made a serious difference. I thought I would move up to the Vision Signature or Borealis but I'm holding off. The Okara's are dong a LOT for the money. They sound like a 3K - 5K loudspeaker.
-Anand R
Dear Mr. Short,
Over the span of the last 9 years, I have purchased several NCMS kits/projects and have been very pleased with all of them, to say the least. I truly admire your accomplishments as a designer. Thank you for contributing so profoundly to our fun, fun, fun hobby (and the Hi-Fi industry in general). What I have enjoyed about all of your designs the most is the fact that they do not sound like Hi-Fi speakers!!! They just reproduce music in a way that is always enjoyable and allows one to hear familiar music in ways that perhaps we have not heard before. I think it is amazing how great gear can change the way we listen - and what we listen to, sometimes. I think that the Okara are loudspeakers for music lovers rather than just for audiophiles.
To get to the point that I would like to make, I can not recall a design of yours that I have enjoyed more than the Okara II. It is among the best work that you have ever done, in my opinion. I t just has some sort of unexplainable "magic". To be fair, I never did build either Rhythm project but I have built nearly everything else that you have offered. I look forward to building the "Vision Signature" someday soon.
The Okara II never fails to absolutely draw the listener into the musical experience. Even my non-audiophile friends are amazed at how real the music sounds. Listening fatigue? What's that??? Along with my all-Linn electronics set-up, vocals are realistic, emotional (as sung) and damn it, Piano sounds like Piano!. Also, it is amazing how un0fussy they are about placement. Just plop them on your favorite high-quality, sand-filled, high mass, multipillar stands ( I use Sound Organization 4-pillar units, spiked top and bottom), space them about 7 feet apart, with a bit of toe-in, slightly angled back, and 24: from the back wall and enjoy! The soundstage is huge, the images are perfectly placed in 3-dimensional space (with the right recordings), and the overall musical presentation is fantastic. The small size is another source of amazement. They can really be played quite loudly in small/medium-sized rooms without strain or compression. How can such a lifelike, "large", and dynamic could be coming from those tiny boxes? It can't be! A (yikes!) _____ owner friend of mine was sure that a "subwoofer" module was hiding behind the furniture somewhere… maybe we'll cure him of "_____itis" While we are on the subject of bass augmentation, they work really well with a sealed woofer of some kind (the ACE SVC10 in a 1 cubic foot sealed cabinet works great!). No crossover needed on the Okara II as long as you keep the volume at sane levels.
I pre-built the cabinets from the plans on the Web so that I would be read, set, go!! as soon as the components arrived. I left work early that day and was listening 1 hour later. My wife even enjoys them a great deal. She shays they are the best, most natural sounding speaker that she has heard in our house (including the _______________ and a couple of other well-regarded commercial designs). Well, I guess what I am trying to say is that we are very, very pleased.
By the way, what does "Okara" mean? Keep up the great work, George. Thank you and good night.
-Ken M
Hello, I was considering the Poseidon to use with my Okara II I built a few months ago, By the way, what a speaker!!!!! The Okara was my first try at DIY, you spoiled me with sound quality….. The sound from the Okaras beats all others, hands down!
-Scott P,
Hello (George?)
I wanted to send you some feed back on the Okara Ikema kits.
I currently have about 80 hours or so on them and unfortantually do not have stands ready. I have them sitting way to high, about 42" at the base, angled down and turned in. Even in this configuration the sound stage, accuracy, smoothness and dynamics are far superior to my ………………… I have been listening for hours and just loving it! Track 2 of When Harry Met Sally is amazing....You are busy, so needless to say I am pleased.I currently have my pre and amp in the rear with a 45' speaker run
I am considering moving the amp to the front of the room just to get closer to get the most I can out of the system. But then I have to make longer interconnects....such problems...Again, Thank you
Kevin
I completed the Okara II's 3 weeks ago, and they are amazing! Even though
there is very little info below 60 Hz, they can play at very respectable
levels in my 3500 cu ft room, and are a pleasure to listen to.
-Bill F.
We are very satisfied customers. Everything went fine. I built them as floorstanders. Tweeters at 34 1/4". The tweeter height of the Rythms will be the same.
Bill
All in all an incredibly great little speaker! I do not keep the grills on permanently, only when we have company that does not know how to keep their hand to themselves. In the living room setup they are limited by placement but in my dedicated room they have put ………'s and a few ……… monitors to shame. I would not hesitate to say that the Upgraded Okara II
would give the ……'s a run for the money. The Okara II sound stage is wide and deep. Voices are just as they should be, natural, lifelike and palpable. The 9500 tweeter is amazing! I recorded my son playing the violin and it is uncanny how the speaker can reproduce the slightest nuances that are present when hearing the violin live. I'm in the process of building two Poseidon subs to mate with the Okaras, I'll call them my Studio killers!Thanks, Scott P.
P.S. I absolutely love my Okara II's and Posiden sub. What a terrific combination.
-Robert S.
George,
-Chris D.
Hi Lee, Hi George. Happy New Year! I thought I would drop you a line and let you know that the Poseidon subwoofer was the icing on the cake. The DVD's and CD's sound amazing with the addition of the Poseidon's base. The action movies in particular make the room sound better than the movie theater.
We finally completed the system over the holidays. The entire setup consists of a NAD T752 receiver, AH NJOE TJOEB 4000 CD player with upsampler, an Aiwa DVD player, and a Panasonic VCR. Of course, the highlight of the system is George's fine Okara II version 9500 speakers consisting of front main, center, and Ikemo surrounds as well as the Poseidon subwoofer. The final touch was Lee's magnificent cabinet work. What a craftsman.
My old Energy speakers were impacted by the entertainment unit. As a result, the staging was affected. However, the Okara II main speakers image beautifully.
I am thrilled with every aspect of the system and I can listen to music for hours and not tire. I hear sounds that I never knew were on the discs. This system is giving me by far the best sound I ever heard in my room.
Best Regards,
Phil L.
George,
I just wanted to tell you that I’ve finished the Okaras and am pleased and amazed with what I’ve got on my hands here. There were moments (this was my first veneering experience) that I was questioning myself, but the results are fantastic. Thanks for a great product. Even my kids are impressed – there’s material in the Ahn Trio’s "Groovebox" that we’ve never heard before. The previous speakers were an old pair of mid-range -------’s, so I’m pretty surprised that they left so much out....
Thanks again.
Will M.
Seattle
Hi!
I recently completed my Ikemo Okara II speakers, and I have to tell you that
I am thrilled! Even though they are not set up even close to ideally, the
sound is amazing. My wife and I have been relistening to much of our music
collection as a new experience. they are a replacement for Dahlquist DQ20
A's, and they sound better. Thank you for an excellent product!
-David B.
All in all it was a very nice kit and an enjoyable project. My center is done, but I'm not happy with the veneer and I think I am going to replace it before I send a picture. I couldn't resist plugging it in and trying it, beautiful sound, I think I will eventually build some for my front speakers based on those. I find it interesting that you describe the North tweeter in this kit as a little bright. I am quite pleased with the high end and they are very tame compared to the B & W's I listened to prior to building these.
-Jim and Ronda
Just wanted to let you know how much I am enjoying my new center channel and matching Okara bookshelf speakers. Here's a couple pics of the center, I tried to match the facia to the tv. Only problem I ran into was having to set the unit back much more than I wanted to due to picture distortion in the tv. This was a fun project with great rewards. I really want to build the front main speakers now, but my Snells are like an old friend and it'll be hard to part with them. Thanks, Jim
Hi George,
Here are a few pictures of my recently completed floor standing Okara II 9500. They are styled from a picture of the Lee Taylor cabinet and construction was based on the Eska Floor Standing drawings. Oak veneer sides and top, satin black front and back. I omitted the inset back and front but "faked" the reveal by cutting the slot on three sides after construction. They weigh in at 52 pounds each less sand bags and are 43-1/4" tall (less spikes). The pictures are taken outside as the light was better. As of right now I only have about 12 hours of playing time on them and they seem to get better dynamically as time passes, It could also be my ear getting accustom to now hearing details in my music that I had not herd with my old speakers. My wife was also impressed (not an easy task). Thanks for answering all my questions during construction. Now maybe I can talk the boss into the Vision Series. Thanks again.
Mike L.
well i've been listening to my Okara II-9500 Upgraded's for about 3 months now. I had wanted to wait before giving my opinion because anything 'new' and 'different' almost always sounds good, just the excitement of something new. Needless to say I loved it right right off the bat, phenomenal imaging and clarity, not too bright and a neutral mid-bass. i thought this would wear off after a few weeks of listening as I would likely become more critical and analytical about it's short comings. but after 4 months i love the speakers even more, they sound even better and i think partly because they're now broken in. these are the best bookshelves i've ever heard and the pricing point you have these at offers tremendous value. my bryston starts clipping before the okara's distort. i think im gonna need a 2nd bryston to bi-amp these puppies. Thanks again for an amazing product.
Thanks very much
-Ryan (from Toronto, Canada)
Hi George
I have finished these little gems and am delighted with the results. I really appreciate your honest description of the sound and please know that I think you are conservative at least. I have read that they take a while to 'run in' so will have to use them heaps! I am especially impressed with the clarity of the voices, the solid stereo imaging and the fact that one can put them on a shelf.
I cut the oak into 1/8 inch planks then glued them into veneers before aopplying to the boxes.
thanks George,
cheers from peter
Hello George,
Everything went well. The instructions are very good.
The speakers are finished and I am very satisfied with the result. I think the sound quality comes close to my Dynaudio speakers which cost 5 times the price of the Okara II. I will compare them during the next week. I want to be sure that the Okara is broken in.
If you like to see a photo of the result, I have uploaded some photos of building. The last photo is the finished Okara next to the Dynaudio:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/williamvandieten/sets/170722/
Thanks.
William van D.
(Eska)
.....As an aside, when I first started listening, the clarity of the D28 was stunning, but I felt the midrange, while great, was not quite as open as I had hoped for. I got a new dvd/cd player last week, an Arcam DV 89. Holy Sound System, Batman! I never would have believed it. I now am getting the sound I heard out of some $6000 Revels. I had no idea the player made that kind of difference. Like George Wallace said , "I was wrong". Amazing. I know that near wall placement is never going to stage like being out in the room, but you got this one really close. I can now hear all the sounds that I pick up in my Sennheiser 650 headphones. We're very close to the holy grail of sound. Just tell me what to do with the ports and crossover frequencies. I am running an Arcam 300 receiver, DV 89 player, and SVS Ultra subwoofer.
Back in the early 80's when I could still hear, I was blown away with Paul Simon's Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes, cut 5 on the Graceland album. I first heard it on a $40k system, probably Apogees and God knows what else. This is pretty damn close. And that in itself is a minor miracle. Dial me in with these, and when I move to California and get set up, we'll go for some biggies with ribbon drivers. I am finally excited again after 20 years of mediocre sound. Michael B.
George,
George,
It took longer than expected, but I am enjoying our new Eska speakers very much. I have attached a picture... :-) Thank you!
I love the clarity, fast response (articulation reproduction is
fabulous), and the superb mid/high end in general. Since it does so
much well (and is such an improvement over our previous Epos ES11s), I
feel a bit guilty wishing for a bit more bass extension for some of our
very big symphonic recordings and organ CDs that I am listening to for the first time in years. I know that I wrote that deep bass isn't that important (and it isn't), but I am so excited exploring our CD collection these days.
I don't have the option of speakers that require placement well into the room (which is why I picked the Eska in the first place), so I am contemplating adding a subwoofer. Do the Eska's mate well with the Poseidon? Is there any disadvantage to adding the Poseidon?
Thanks again.
-- Nathan
Thanks for your feedback, Guys! I'm glad you are enjoying them so much.
"Okara" means "the eyes" in the Oneida Indian language.
-George